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The Talmud rejects this: No, the Mishnah is referring to a case of documents of stipulation that record the amounts that parents agree to provide to their son or daughter, and this is in accordance with the opinion of Rav Giddel.
As Rav Giddel said that Rav said: When two families negotiate the terms of marriage for their respective children, one side says to the other: How much do you give your son? And the second side answers: Such and such amount. How much do you give your daughter? And the first side responds: Such an
Come and hear another challenge to the opinion of Reish Lakish, based upon the following Mishnah (Bekhorot 51a): If he wrote to a priest with whom he wants to perform the redemption of his firstborn son: I am obligated to pay you 5 sela, then he is obligated to give him 5 sela and his son is not re
The Talmud answers: It is different there, because he is obligated to give the 5 sela to him by Torah law in order to fulfill his obligation of redeeming his firstborn son, even without writing a contract. The Talmud asks: If that is so, why did he write the contract at all? The Talmud answers: In o
The Talmud asks: If that is so, why is his son not redeemed once he pays the money? The Talmud answers: This is in accordance with the opinion of Ulla. As Ulla said, by Torah law a son is redeemed when the father gives the money. And for what reason did the rabbis say: His son is not redeemed? It i