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it is valid. The Talmud comments: Apparently, R' Yoḥanan holds that two people who brought a bill of divorce from a country overseas are not required to say: It was written in our presence and it was signed in our presence.
Abaye said to Rav Shmuel bar Yehuda: If that is so, if the Mishnah is referring specifically to a case where the document was not produced by both of them, consider the latter clause of the Mishnah, which teaches: If two people say: It was written in our presence, and one person says: It was signe
The Talmud infers: The reason this document is invalid is specifically due to the fact that the bill of divorce was not produced by both of them, but if the bill of divorce was produced by both of them would the Rabbis deem it valid? Rav Shmuel bar Yehuda said to Abaye: Yes, the Rabbis would deem
The Talmud asks: And in a case where the bill of divorce was not produced by both of them, with regard to what underlying principle do they disagree? The Talmud explains: One Sage, the Rabbis, holds: The rabbis decree that it is invalid lest people will come to confuse this case with the typical
Some say another version of this discussion: Rav Shmuel bar Yehuda says that R' Yoḥanan says: Even a bill of divorce produced by both of them is invalid. The Talmud comments: Apparently, R' Yoḥanan holds that if two people brought a bill of divorce from a country overseas they are required to say: